Bheja Fry : Based on their entire career, can you rank three khans i.e. Aamir, Salman and Sahahrukh ?
Q : After bumper opening of the dirty picture, can we safely assume Vidya balan among top 3 actress of bollywood ?
A : Among top 3, Yes. Just few more such women oriented blockbusters and she will be undisputed number one heroine of bollywood. In all her upcoming movies, she is central character, like Kahaani, Ishqiya-2, Great Dadu(With Amitabh) and Urmi (Santosh sivan).
Q : How many Rajesh Khanna movies got highest verdict of respective era ?
A : None. He had many Hit and Super Hits to his credit, but none able to cross magical figure of 1 Crore per territory to attain the highest verdict of that era(Like in contemporary system, all time blockbuster is highest verdict).
Q : Which movies were top grosser of 1988 ?
A : 1. Tezaab 2. Shahenshah 3. Paap Ki Duniya 4. Pyaar Ka Mandir 5. Ganga Jamuna Saraswati 6. Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak 7. Dayavan 8. Ghar Ghar Ki Kahaani 9. Hatya 10. Jeete Hain Shaan Se
Q : Based on their entire career, can you rank three khans i.e. Aamir, Salman and Sahahrukh ?
A : 90’s was clearly belonged to Salman followed by Shahrukh. Aamir gave some quality movies, but he was not big box-office force. No one alone dominated for entire 2000 decade, first four years were lead by Shahrukh khan, then next 6 years belonged to Aamir khan, Salman khan who kept very low profile throughout the decade, emerged very big only after 2010 and now again leading. But problem is that all three khans don’t do much movies, on an average they do one movie per year. With such low volume, their dominance at box-office went on toss always, specially after 2000. They are said to be ruling bollywood, because their competitors are not consistently performing at all, else total Hit/Superhit movies by three khans in around 20 years are comparable to 5 Years of Rajesh Khanna. Its like what Rajesh Khanna delivered in 5 years(~18 Hits), these khans did almost similar or little more in 20 years.
– BollyBusiness
Excellent Q & As bro. I just have a few questions:
1) Agreed that Rajesh Khanna didn’t have an All-Time Blockbuster, but was his biggest hit till date Aradhana?
2) Even despite how their volume of films have been over the years, can we safely say that the Khans are amongst top 10 greatest actors ever at the Box-Office, and where would they ranked in that top ten?
Thanks Randy. Yes, Aradhna was his biggest Hit. Khans are definitely among top 10 all time actors. However need some analysis to fit their position based on box office.
Thanks Yakuza, I was thinking Aradhana was Rajesh Khanna biggest hit till date.
Very true, but I believe people will have different opinion on a topic like that, but no doubt Amitabh Bachchan, Dharmendra and Dilip Kumar should dominate the top 3 positions.
90′s didnt belong to salman..
For 20yrs ..all khans except srk saw ups and downs..
Srk was always consistent..
And thus he earned initials of king of bollywood..badshah..etc..
So Srk should be placed at top no doubt
Yes, Comparatively SRK was more consistent than Salman and Aamir in 20 years. But in overall dominance, he always remained second to either Salman or Aamir alternatively.
No..I dont think So..
Multiplex Era was complete dominated by SRK..
Till Aamir’s Ghajini..
Before Ghajini..Any one rarely delivered films that grossed 50Cr or 60Cr..except one man..who was delivering films with 70cr-80cr business at BO.
He was called Shahrukh Khan..
and in 2000′s..untill 2009(mid)
Salman gave chains of flops..His hit ratio might be the poorest in 2000′s..its only Dabangg Ready wanted and BG..that saved the grace.in last 2 years.. and Aamir was’nt in the top3 scene before his Ghajini..
2000 had competition majorly b/w SRK Hrithik and Akshay
Salman and AAmir entered in the last two years..
So ..SRK all the way..in overall..as he hasnt delivered a boxoffice flop for past 6 yrs..Last flop was Paheli
and plz..dont count Dulha mil gya and billu as flops..they were his cameos..
“Before Ghajini..Any one rarely delivered films that grossed 50Cr or 60Cr..except one man..who was delivering films with 70cr-80cr business at BO.
He was called Shahrukh Khan..”
Which La La land you belong to ? In 2006, when SRK was delivering under 45 Crore grossers(KANK, DON) … Krishh, Lage Raho Munna Bhai, Dhoom-2 were grossing 80+ Crore .. Salman Khan delivered 65 Crore in Partner, Aamir Fanaa was 60+ Crore and RDB 50. And all movies by SRK on or before 2006 were below 50 Crore.
The fact is, before SRK come up with 70 Crore(OSO), there was already 70-80 Crore grossers. Before SRK come up with 100(RA.One), there are number of 100 Crore grossers. Fact is he is always late, he just chase, not lead. Period.
I agree with Jeevan. The problem with SRK is that he never had an all-India acceptance with his films, he was only big in the big cities, whereas Aamir and Salman Khan were big in the cities and small towns, esp. Salman. After Gadar, no film delivered a 50 crore nett grosser, till Rang De Basanti and Fanaa. Yet, KANK and Don couldnt out gross RDB and Fanaa. Then, Dhoom 2 came, and push the competition further with an 80 crore grosser. Partner was the closest to Dhoom 2 at that time, as it touches 60 crores, then came CDI.
The point is, is what Jeevan said, SRK follows, but he doesn’t lead. That’s why none of SRK films had a record breaking grosser. Atleast Salman, Aamir and Hrithik did. No doubt he was consistent, but he definitely didn’t rule the 90s, but he did rule 2000-2004.
Yakuza,tell me,can big b and vidya repeat magic like film Paa with new film Great Dadu?whats ur opinion?
In 1990s
1. Salman
2.Shahrukh
3.Aamir
In 2000s
1.Aamir
2.Shahrukh
3.Salman
In 2010s
Salman on top
Yakuza bro see this page http://www.ibosnetwork.com/asp/filmbodetails.asp?id=Ganga+Jamuna+Saraswati
here they are showing that Amitabh movie Ganga Jamuna Saraswati Distribution price per territory is 75 lakh and recovery is 1.50 crore per territory and also its called a flop movie so its confusing plz bro make it clear that whats the reasons that after getting double recovery per territory and still its slop?
Hi Sam, Recovery of 1.5 Crore per territory is Nett business, and that too if for Bombay territory. Distribution share is actual money which compare against distribution price. BTW Ganga Jamuna Saraswati was not flop commercially. It recovered its money, but Manmohan Desai and Amitabh combo was not made for recovery only, their movies were gold mines for distributors. In case of Ganga Jamuna Saraswati, apart from low turn out at boxoffice, it was content of movie, which was alarming.
hmmm nice reply Yakuza and thanks so what will you called it hit,average or flop and also tell me is buddah hoga tera baap status? i am asking because the budget of this movie is only 10 crore or 14 take care
To rest the debate..acc to BOI
Out of 35 100+ Worldwide grossing films..ever
SRK has 11 100+Grossers taking DON2 as potential 100+ grosser..
and Sallu has 5 films only..
Aamir is much less..
So..Now we know who is king of all times..
Don’t you blind SRK fanatics get bored of creating fanclubs,voting online and ranting on various forums about how great your “god” SRK is? Fact of the matter is that in the last 4 years SRK has been overshadowed first by Aamir and now by Salman. SRK had his time in the sun in the early part of the last decade and the late 90′s. Unfortunately for you(and for other blind,crazy fanatics like you) he’s no longer “king” (or whatever you call him). Not in India at least(which is what counts).
Amazing that even Amitabh’s so-called flops like Shehanshah and Ganga Jamuna Saraswati are among the top grossers of 1988.
Shahenshah was record breaking opener. Here’s more details :
http://bollybusiness.wordpress.com/2010/03/18/boxoffice-operation-shahenshah-1988/
Apart from record breaking opening, it was all time blockbuster in VHS rental market, ask any old VHS rental shop, he will instantly give you details. And Black ticketing market shoot up to as high as 20 times with Shahenshah. Its initial few weeks were extraordinary.But compare to last bachchan blockbusters(Mard in 1985), it started cracking quite early.
A note about GJS from filminfo 1989:
@Yakuza : Based on FI verdicts,who among Amitabh Bachchan and Dilip Kumar would be having a better success ratio?(taking only the pre Khuda Gawah films into cinsideration)
FI existed only after 1973, so Dilip kumar movies verdicts are not given by them. Trade guide was available then, but i don’t have all copies. As per film information, From Zanjeer till Khuda Gawah, Amitabh has only 5 flop movies out of roughly 72 movies.
Then why’s it that the trade(even the likes of Komal Nahta) have written off movies like Toofan,Jaadugar,Shehenshah,Desh Premee etc as certified flops?
Except Jaadugar, none written as flop. Shahenshah was clean Hit, Desh Premee initially got A (Semi hit), but in subsequent year upgraded to clean Hit.Even Bombay to Goa which was declared flop initially declared Hit after 8 years because of excellent re-runs collections.
These verdicts from Trade guide are almost similar to FI (Those days there was not much difference between different trade verdicts).
http://bollybusiness.wordpress.com/2011/12/23/rajesh-khanna-movie1966-1984-verdicts-by-trade-guide-prakash-pange/
Why is there so much difference of opinion in trade these days? Banner loyalties or mere unavailability of verifiable data?
Many factors involved, but biggest one is vastly changed dynamics of boxoffice and so many resources available to earn money. previously it was simple ROI model and that worked beautifully. But now a movie can be break even even before release, this puzzled even old trade analysts like Komal and Taran as well. No one has unique model now days and with every release, all individual analysts applies different parameters.
IMO ROI model can still work like before, only thing to do is to keep aside all other revenues and just take distributor cost VS theatrical revenue.
Komal Nahta analyzed that the cost of Agneepath including prints and publicity is 75 crore. Now is this supposed to be the distributor cost or is this the production cost? What exactly do you mean by distributor cost? And does recovery for the distributor involve non theatrical avenues as well?
And Nahta also wrote that out of the 75 cr,56 has already been recovered through non theatrical avenues. Does the distributor benefit from this recovery? What would be the distributor cost if the total cost of AP is 75 cr?
Distributor cost is the prize at which movie is sold to a certain territory for theatrical release. There are total 9 territories and each territory has their distributors.
Revenues from all other sources goes to producers pocket, distributors profit/loss depends on theatrical business. Even in old times, producers profits were never considered, it was always distributors whose balance sheet was taken in consideration for giving verdict.
So by that yardstick,should we assume that movie like Wanted,ZNMD,Delhi Belly,APKGK,Don-2 etc are Above Average-Average grossers instead of terming them as hits? You yourself termed ‘Once Upon A Time In Mumbai’ and ‘Raajneeti’ as Hits when they were just ‘Overflow’ by Komal Nahta.
Well even Komal has melt down since last 3-4 years, As per his model a movie can be termed hit only if it doubled the returns on investment by distributor. There are total 9 territories and returns are not same at all states, so even if movie is loser in few territories but give profits to rest of distributors, he considers them to give verdicts. During 70′s and 80′s, 99.9% of cases, movies were either universally hits or universally flops. Things got more complicated now with cluttered response.
Check these words from Komal : http://www.rediff.com/movies/2000/oct/11box.htm
All my claims are from Komal Nahta words.
“Today, no hero can boast of such charisma as to lure the audiences to the theatres on the sheer strength of their names.” ` That’s exactly what Salman Khan is doing today. I’m not comparing the two and nor am i a Salman fan but i do feel that after Amibath’s era if at all there’s been an actor who’s generated “mass frenzy” of that magnitude purely on the basis of his name,its gotta be Salman Khan. Of course Salman’s consistency level is not even a fraction of Amitabh’s so no comparisons!
Yes, Salman has shown such glimpses of mass hysteria in last 2 years .. http://bollybusiness.wordpress.com/2011/06/13/ready-madness-continues/
Also see this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9dyFzOVt5jI
The performance trajectory,trade verdict and audience perception of Amitabh’s Shehanshah and SRK’s Ra.One is too similar to be ignored. Esp considering that both the films are attempted sci-fi flicks of their respective times.
Shahenshah Sci fi ??? That’s news buddy.
I haven’t watched Shehanshah so am not aware. But have heard in the media circles that it was one of the earliest Superhero flicks in Bollywood.
I recommend you to watch it, its one of better masala movie of 80′s .. not sci fi at all, not even straight super hero, Shahenshah was like Robinhood with some X factor.